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Bert, sobbaichi̱ ihoochakitta ittoo[ya]t stintolihnot
Bert, do you remember a long time ago, we worked
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himaak naasok komiksotik stamalkahchootoskap, yaamoosin immaayafiinan stothaachit kanohcho̱ katik,
with hardly anything, but we still struggled along and now they have all this and a lot more, which is good,
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isno stolikloop, kobassostik stanthiiyahchooliki̱, sobbaichi̱, naasoot, tamooka̱ ihoochatik onaintohnot,
but you and I worked late at night even when you were getting fussed at.
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sochinlikitkatik. Naho yaamit, Health Building-ka talchikitton maan akostiniichilit, uh, naasok toknaawa ikson, office-ka komiksotohon,
For instance, I was thinking about the Health Building you built, uh, we didn’t have no money, no office,
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toknaawan wihlilin iskok nakathchiiyatohon, stislaki̱ thoiliichit ten thousand dolla maamin. Noksok chi̱hkan ommitoska map.
and you said, “Let me go look for some money” and brought back about $10,000 dollars. Who gave you that?
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Map Edwards-kak ohtimasihhalin ommik. Maamok paapiyaakon ankak maan, ohtimasihhalin, katik kosnaalok kamiichit stamaahilkaak stakaanohchoolik, mantik ma…maatittimawiichit,
I went and asked Edwards for that. Then he gave me a bridge, too, when I went and asked, but we did it ourselves and had a good time moving forward like that, but we helped each other,
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maamok isnap akostiniichiskahchommin kanohchoolik. Nahoyaami̱… naasoot
and then it was good that you understood. For instance,
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naasoot sa̱hilas kaahalip, maan maskomawiichit mastimakostiinit stathchiiyaak stakaanohchoolik. Maamok toknaawak komiksos maafookap Unhuh, naasok iksofookon mon,
when I’d say, let’s do this, you knew what to do and helped us. We didn’t have any money back then. Yes, we didn’t have anything,
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health-kafaabiinok, akolostiichihchoolik Indian Health Service-kak, samiichit yaamoosin stothhachitoska kahhok ammankak
and even Indian Health Service used to commend us and one of them told me after retiring, “How did y’all come this far,
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retire-kafookok chaffaak mokkoop hasaikkoosin toknaawak hachi̱hilkaafookon sankiicholao̱ aliilotik immaayan hachinnaahonannahchoolik kaahak. nahoyaami
because we would give you a small amount of money and we thought ya’ll wouldn’t be able to handle it, but y’all would always have more.”
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naasoli̱ eye glasses-kayaamiibiinok stislahchooliki̱ Houston-kafa̱ ilmaakayahchoot
Like, what is it, even the eye glasses, you would bring them from Houston.
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Naasi santik wihhiliinannahchoolik nihtooya̱, maamok faikilkohchooliki̱, maamok maan, Fort Polk-kafaamahchoot otwihlit. Naho, naasi santik wihhiliinannahchoolik kaamis
We would always go look for some type of assistance every day and then we didn’t give up and then we would even go to Fort Polk to get stuff.
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hoakkamiichiinannaap aalolihchook himaayaamiip, katik sa̱a̱it [naksaamit] stamaaka chasobaikotik.
Like, we were always looking for any type of help so I think if they would keep doing things like that now, but I don’t know how they are doing things now.
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Maamok toknaawak komiksotik naasok naasok skanampiisa̱ aliilook stanthiyahchooliki̱. Maamok maan atmiitayaamiik matkomawiichiikon, maan aatoot matkomawiichiikon,
Then even though we didn’t have the money, whatever we thought would be good, we would go ahead and do it. Again, other people would help us
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and we would get together and talk to each other.
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Kahchoolik. Stakanaahoschoolik. Anook stankaanohchoolik. Himayaamiip akostiniichiliik kaamit nahotilkatoyaamiimook, nahok, toothbrush-kayaami̱, toothpaste-kabiinok komiksoofookon,
That’s how it was. It was a lot of fun. I had fun. Now when I think about what we used to do, like, we didn’t have toothbrushes and even toothpaste and
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lett-oot maatiminchaal iskaki̱ naho Crest-kayahchoot, maafookon ilinchaayinkotik inchaalit mastonoliifookon okiichon [stopped the tape] Toothpaste-ka nahotiskafa̱.
you said, “Write them a letter,” like, to the Crest place, and I didn’t believe in myself , but I wrote it and sent it and not long after….. [stopped the tape] You stopped at the mention of the toothpaste.
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Sobbaililihchok nahoyaami̱ Health-kafaayaamiik toknaawak komiksoofookon, naho, toothpaste-kamahchoot, naksamiichihchoot cholpoli̱ iskaton,
I remember we didn’t have any money at the Health Department and you said, “How can we buy toothpaste?”
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naho, samiichilkai ilkok ittinnaathiihilkan, piila lett-oot maatiminchaachikkoskan, Crest-kayahchoot iskan,
and we talked about what we should do and you said, “Why don’t you just write a letter to the Crest place?”
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maatiminchaalilin okiichon boxes-ka ilachilaotok, toothpaste-kayahchoot, toothbrush-kayahchoot, floss-kayahchoot ka̱a̱ifookon [kaamiifookon], kaamiyaami̱ ooya̱ astinkat,
and I wrote to them, and not long after, boxes started coming with toothpaste, toothbrushes, floss and then we gave them out
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naho atlawistayahchoot stimponnaachilkakon amaakat hoponnaakon stinkaan– stinkaanohchoolik ilhiichoolik.
and taught the kids how to use it and it was nice to see them learn.
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Maamok at– at-hommayaamiik ittanahkat
Then the Indians were happy to get together
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stohayoppaasit ittanahkat ittimawiichit stamakahchooliki̱ maamok maan…. Kahchoolik. Naasi chokiibostik. Ai. Naasi chokiibostik stilaafookon maamok,
and start helping each other. That’s how it was. It could have been any little thing. Yes. We would bring any little help,
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maamok stohimalostik maan nasmiitoot nahotok kahaafookon, maan onaintoliinohchoolik mok, akkaamiik stakaanohchoolik mok. Naho imanihtayaamiik iisaak maan,
and they were interested and told us to do more and we would work on more stuff and It was fun doing that. The young people
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pokko toolit iisatik imiksookon ball park-kayahchoot,
that played softball didn’t have a ball park to play in,
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naho, Ernest-kak naasoot kominwihkooli̱? kahaak amasillachiikon, otchinmankalihchokommik maan, samiichihchoot
so they asked me, “Would Ernest find us a place?”
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talkilkoli̱? kahaliifookon, maan nakathchiiyaak apala yahchoot wiilit stislaafookon. Ai. Samiichit maamok
They would ask me that and that’s why I would go tell you, “How can we build one?” I would say that and then you would go away again and bring back, like lights. Yes.
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backstop-kayahchoot talaboolaik komiksoskon, measurements-kabiinok, nahot,
Then we didn’t have anything to build a backstop, even know the measurements,
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sobbaichi̱ naksotoska̱, John Buller-kotos[ka̱]? Ai, John Darbonne. John Darbonne-kotoska̱? iilok, welder-kon stislan,
and do you remember, who was it, was it John Buller? Yes, it was John Darbonne. Was it John Darbonne? You brought a welder
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opiinok kommahoka saamoosin chaihalaalik kahaakon, kosobaikoskat
and he wanted us measure and tell him how tall we wanted it and since we didn’t know how,
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naho stitapaskoot lakawwit aba̱ wayhiliifookok yaamiffiinon koban ilkaakon ompinoofookon nahotilkatoskap
we would lift a broom and tell him, “We want it about right here,” and he would measure it from there,
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kanomait talabookaki̱ mantohok. Ai, kaamik mon, maamok okiichoosin, akkaamis naasi akkoyaamiibiinok naasi iksotootik,
and it came out pretty good. Yes, that’s right and it didn’t take very long to fix it, and so, things like that, we didn’t have,
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kon athiiyaak stakaanohchoolik, maamok naasok iksotoolik, stahoyoppa̱a̱hossoolik maamok, pokkotoo kamahchoot innaahon Maamok ihoochakittap sobbaichi̱ naasok komiksoskan nahoyaamiik pahi-skoyofkabiinok,
but as it progressed, it was fun, and then what we didn’t have before, they were very happy to see that we started having them, like the ball fields. Then, do you remember, a long time ago, since we didn’t have anything, even like lawnmowers,
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ooyak ittanailkaafookok pahi-skoyofkoot hoinnaahoop, stothachiikok piila tatiithit koyoffit anoshilihchooliki̱, naho, ball park-kayaamiifa̱
we would all get together, and the ones that had lawnmowers would bring theirs and we would all pitch in and finish cutting the ball park.
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Kahchoolik maamok, ooyak maatittimawiichit. Ai. Imanihtaskihayaamiik matchoffit intoonot stamaakaskan, kaamip kaanohchoolik ilhichak, naho,
That’s right and we all helped each other. Yes. The teenagers would offer to help and that was good to see,
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maamok immoyaamin hiichat iisahchooliki̱ alwaaliimankot. Ahitchaachit, ai. Sompaniimankot
and they even took care of it like their own, not breaking it. They took care of it, yes. They didn’t play around with it.
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Kaamiskan naho, himayaamiibiinok atlawistayaami immankalihchok naksaamit
Therefore, like, even now, I tell the kids
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yaamoosin komiksoto̱, yaamoosin stonthahchom kaahat immankalitik hoakostiniichikkos stammahchok saamoosin
that we barely had anything but we have made it this far, but I don’t think they realize how much
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onaintohnot alahkak ittimawiichit stamalkatoyaami onkal. Inkohchootommo̱ aalolihchok. Naason himayaami hohiichak nahobaanok ommo hoaalomaa– hoaalohchotommo maamok,
we have struggled and helped each other as we move forward. I don’t think they do. Nowadays, when they see something, they think it’s always been there,
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maamok naason iiho-[didn’t finish sentence] achiibatik tathapoolit stolintihchooto̱ sobayahkohchotommo maamok
but we have been through some tough times to get where we are now and they don’t realize that too.
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Unhuh, nahoyaamiibiinok office-kabiinok chimiksoop,
Yes, and when you didn’t have an office,
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aatimanaathit, hochimanaathin. Nahot maan, Elton-kafoot maan asaichillaafookon, hochimanathtoot maan,
you would borrow and they would lend it to you. Then you would go ask in Elton and they would lend it to you,
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achiitaapik building-kon ischin maan Cultural Center-kamahchoot konnohcholiki̱. Ai. Asaala ssolpaayaamik [scholpaayaamik],
and later on, you got a building which was the Cultural Center. Yes. We sold baskets there.
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Kaamis mat-hokomawiichiik stakaanohchoolik, maan miitahayaamik, maamok naho, naason piila ashompaniimaamit, aatinholasiimaamit aliswahchokkoskan,
So it was fun when others helped since we were honest and didn’t lie to them
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stohimalostit komawiichihchommik maamok
and that’s why they were willing to help us.
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Naasooyak mantik purpose-kak nahoonannahchooliki̱, stinponnaachilkaayaami̱ onkal naasoot saamai
There was always a purpose for everything we did,
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bookkeeping-kamahchoot stimponnaachit, samiichit business-koot start-ka yahchoot, naho, ittimawiichit stamaakaayaami̱
like teaching them what to do in bookkeeping, how to start a business, and help each other as they go.
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Maan stanthiiya̱ maatittimawiichit maan maan atmiitayahchoot intoliina̱ inkat stamilkaak, maamok tatka,
I remember that we helped each other as we went and gave others jobs,
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at-hommak, at-hommakassok lokkoolit, at-hommakassok stinhinnaatat stamaakalo̱ ilkak, kahchon stanthiiyahchooto̱ sobbaililikanahchok anap,
and we wanted the Indians to be the first priority and start progressing because other places wouldn’t give them a chance to advance, and that’s why they couldn’t do their job,
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mokkoop at-hommayaamiip stohinfaikoskan sankohchonommik toppayaami̱ intoliinop, kaamis kosnok
so that’s why we let the Indians advance here,
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yaali̱ at-homma istilkaafap at-hommok stamaakalpiis aliilok stanthiiyas kaanohchoolik.
and it was good to do it that way.
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Tatkak maamin piila komintoonotik, piila intolihnak innaahoop naason sobaayahkohchoolimaamik. Stohayoppahchooliki̱ maabiinok. Maamok at-homma, uh, stinponnachit ooya̱ thopotchiip,
The white people just worked for us and as long as they had a job, they didn’t really care. They were still glad. Then if you train the Indians,
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mok boss-kok iisahchooliki̱. tatka hire-hilkaamok, lokooliichilkaamok, mok
they became bosses. If we hire the whites,
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imintohnohchon at-homman, kaamiskan kaamiip kaano stammaamik, athommak maan stilibannat amaakaskan.
we let them work under the Indians, and I thought that was good since the Indians wanted to advance higher.
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Miitap stililkafiilihchooliki̱ naason immaayaasin amaakaik bannaap, kaamis, school-koot mattolihnon, naasoot immaayan stimponnahchoot stamaakais [stamaakaahis]. Kaamis,
Others worked hard in order to advance so we sent them to school so they can learn more.
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tamookat ihoochatik intoliinohchooto̱ sobbaililihchok. Naasoot, naasoot talhilais ilkaafookok,
I remember, we even worked late at night.
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toknaawa komiksotik. Naasoot ooya̱ inkallit anoochiifook. Nashatkon stilaafookok [both laughing] ooya̱, ooya̱ kallit, katik kamiichilkahchooto̱ sobbaililihchok, katik,
”So we can build something,” we’d say, even when we didn’t have any money. After you finish writing it all down. I remember we’d bring paper and write all over it,
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akkamiichitkilkotoop naasok iksolaatootommo aalolihchok. Aatok stimalokistohchooliki̱ maafookittap [maafookakittap] sobaayahkos naason sanhiliyaami̱. Saamalpisa̱ sobaayahkoto̱ maamok. Unhuh.
but if we didn’t do that, I think we wouldn’t have had anything. Nobody was interested back then since they didn’t know what we were doing. Yes.
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Maamok ya pokko itooka iskaabiinok, mok
Then you mentioned about the ball park,
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kaamalpiis, kahchon hobannatik saamok samiichit stamaakaik sobaayahkoto̱ maamok. Maamok aatok konkalpiskohchooliki̱ toknaawa yaami̱. Unhuh, toknaawa aatok konhikkoto̱ maamok.
that they wanted one but they didn’t know how to start one. No one was able to give us any money. Yes, no one would give us any money either.
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Mokkoop sobbaillihchoolik, ya toolit istilkat,
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Elton-kabiinok, uh, hokomanaathiibankomahchooliki̱ falanchi iisak. Ai, akkahchoolik mon. Kaamis, stachiiba̱a̱hoschoolik kaamin stistilkoolik maan,
the French people from Elton didn’t want to lend us their ball park. Yes, that’s the way it was. So it was hard since they were like that
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uh, kaamiskan yaaloot tallok kosnal– kosnaltik konnaahop aliilok tallit anoshilip. Maan Elton-kak ilaachihchooliki̱
and so we thought we should build one ourselves here and we did. Then the people from Elton came over
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itkomanaathiibannaak, mon kosnok kanook immaayan hohichaafookok. Kosnok, kanok immaayan hihchok, apala mahchootok kanok immait [immaayat] konnahchooliki̱, pokkotoo kayaamiibiinok, kaamis, ilmaakahchooliki̱ maamok toolaahik, kaamis
wanting to use ours when they saw how much better it was. Everyone saw that ours was much better, with lights like a real ball park, so they thought we would lend it to them; from then on everyone would run to us to use our field, even if they had to come from far away. Everyone saw that ours was much better, the lights were much better, even the ball games
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aatik hokomanaathiip aalot, maabannon ilaachihchooliki̱, tothkat. hopaakitik ilmaakahchooliki̱ maamok toolaahik, kaamis
so they would come over hoping we would let them borrow the field. They would even come far just to play ball.
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Nahomahchoot, leagues-kamahchoot talaboolit, little league-kamahchoot nahoot.
We started developing leagues and most of our kids started growing up and staying around here to play.
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naho konnaahoonannahchooliki̱ naasooyak. maamok nassankayaami̱ onkal, kaamiskan yaali̱ ittaiisaanannaamait kochobahchooliimahchok. Saamassilohchooto̱ himaaya imanihtaski yaamik
We always had everything. I mean there was always something to do so we grew up kind of staying around here. What do you think about the teenagers now,
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naasi pokkotoo kayahchoot innaahon hinaap naasooyak hahpa maamit innaahotik, stohayoppa̱ simmahchooto̱
they have a ballpark and everything is kind of new, are they appreciative of what they have?
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They’re probably happy about it
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akhiichohchok at-hommak yaali̱ ilahchok ittooliinanna̱ onkal, mokkoop kosnap
but I don’t see the Indians come out to play ball often
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achoot toolitik ittanahilkaanannahchoolik, mootoskaap yaaliifap gym-kak kanoma̱it inhatchaaliibiinok,
because even when we played outside, we always got together all the time but now they have a real nice gym
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kaamoosin naho tookostammahchok aatik, nahoyaamiibiinok, uh,
but don’t play too much,
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little dribblers-kayaami̱ nahobiinok Elton-kafon ohtashilihchok, yaalip imiksohcho.
for instance, like Lil’ Dribblers, we get with them in Elton to play because we don’t have anything going on here.
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kaamiskan, yaalip softball tournaments-kamahchoot nahohchoolik, katik mook othkohchok kosno konnaahotooyaami onkal. Schobat stohimalostit
So we used to have softball tournaments here but they don’t have them like we used to. They had big tournaments and everyone was interested.
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Ai, kaamiskan. Maamok hotoolin nihtahchooliki̱ yaalip. Ai. Taholosi tamookaayaami stamaakaak
Yes. They played ball all night long here. They started Saturday night.
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Ai, katik himaayaamip kaamoosin stohimalokisto stammahchok hoinnaahoofookamattok nahok pokkotookak mok. Naasooyak hoinnaahoofookamattok. Ai. Maamok ihoochakittap
Yes, but I think nowadays they are not as interested even though they have everything. When they have everything now. Yes. Then you used to
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holikfoot chospalahoot toknaawa̱ asillaak achiiyahchooliki̱ maan [laughing] Naasoot fund raiser-koot iskaafookon, inko̱mok,
go around asking for money to buy uniforms. You’d tell us to do a fund raiser
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naho, ittanahilahi̱, nahoyaami̱ achayoppahchoolik, atlawistasiyaamik
for the kids because they would want to go to Astro World, you would say, and I was glad to raise money for the kids
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toknaawak hoimiksoskan, astro world-koot
since they didn’t have money.
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amailkoot hobanno̱ iskaafookon. toknaawak komiksoskan, samiichilka̱i [samiichilka̱hi̱] ilkaap
We would say, “What should we do since we don’t have any money,”
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ittoot aatinkoihilas iskaafookon. Ai, akkahchoot. Noksoot amailkaak, koilit ooya̱ toknaawachilkaak, stamailkahchooliki̱. Maamok akkoyaami̱ aatok nahotikkohchootommo̱ hinaap
and you would say, “Let’s go cut trees.” Yes, that’s what we did. We would bring the kids somewhere to help us cut wood to raise money. I don’t think they would do that,
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katik saami̱ chasobaikotik onkal, hinaap toknaawak saamon bannak innaahotik,
to take the kids around them to raise money anymore,
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kaamin honaahoh chasobaiko̱ atlawistoot naksoot ilapiilit slomaalihchoot katik
whatever money they need.
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Kaamii yaamiimook iskahchooliki̱, naho, uh,
Like you used to say,
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ahitchaachitkilkos from the womb to the tomb iskahchooliki̱. Mmhuh, ai. Kaamit athiiya̱ stammahchok, hinaayaamiip mokkoop ihoochakittap ibisnaalok intoonoot stililkafiilit nahotootik, alahka.
we can’t watch them from the womb to the tomb. Yes. I think that’s the way it goes nowadays because a long time ago we all worked to better ourselves,
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toknaawa ontiskan, casino yahchoot,
the casino money
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maafon piila ohtimasillas intolikiinotik aaloomamit amaakas stammahchok alahka. Ai. Ano aaloli̱ onkal. Maamok ihoochakitta bingo-kon stanthiiyan,
makes it easy, all they do is go ask and they think they don’t have to work. Yes. I mean, that’s my feeling. Back when we started the bingo,
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at-homma schokohotcha̱a̱hossiki̱ mon, katik
the Indians were ready to shoot us,
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stimawiichilkalaok onhilitik mon maan akostiniichikkohchoolik mon naksaam– naksamiichilkak akostiniichi̱,
but they didn’t understand we were trying to help them and we wondered, how are we going
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at-homma akostiniichaahi ilkahchooliki̱ maafookakittaalon. Akkahchi mon. Naason ooya̱ immaahiskatik akostiniichikkos stachiibassoolik katik
to make the Indians understand. Yes, that’s how it was. We told them everything, we didn’t quit trying to make them understand it’s good,
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faikilkotok kaanohchok mantik, naho, yok, aththatookanaamin ho– hokompalatkat, hokonaathiiliichiimok sankoto̱, katik,
but they were still mad and talked about us but everything went on so now everything worked out.
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aththato– aththatookanaamiskan kanohchoolihchok himaayaamip. Alahkak ihoochakittap, uh, business-kayaamiifa̱, uh, intokiinoskan, naho, acha̱ askahkat, accounting-kayaami onkal,
It’s a good thing we didn’t give up. They didn’t work in a business or own businesses,
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maamok im-business-kabiinok imiksoskan sobaayahkohchokommik stammaamik, accounting-kayaami onkal. Mm…. Kaamiskan, aachaakak chinnaahon maan toknaawaachiskatik,
so they didn’t understand accounting practices. Yes. So they didn’t understand that even though you make money
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aachaka̱ fiiskap, naho net profit-koot chinnaaho̱ onkal, kaamiiyaamiip hosobaayahkoot akostiniichikkot, piila
you have bills to pay, they thought we made a lot of money and took it all,
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ooya̱ pihhachihchokom kokaahaafookon, statchiibahchoolik. Kachoolik mon, maamok toknaawa mok,
but they didn’t understand net profit. That’s how it was; the money they gave to us
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nas– mat-hokonkaamok naasi fiihilkon, maththoosin fiihilkon konkaskan,
was to pay the bills, but [the tribal people] thought
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ibisnaali intoknaawan aaloot iisas, statchiibahchoolik katik, miit– ooyatikkok mantik, aatooyatikkooyok ommit. Ai, ooyamaamin ittathapot-hiliip, uh, uh,
it was for their personal use, but it wasn’t. You told us that everything we went through
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learning process-ko̱, kahhok komma̱a̱hiskahchooliki̱, naasoot saamiimok, naasoot kaanoomok, naasoot kankoomok, hiichat stimponnat amahaskalao̱ iskatoofookon. nahoyaami, uh,
was a learning process and whatever happens, good or bad, we will see and learn from it as we go.
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ya bingo-ka stistilkaabiinok,
When we started the bingo
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stamailkatootik, vote-kon koban kahaki̱, vote-kon ko̱hachikkotookom kahhok skopaachoffihchon stammaamik mon s-use-kok. mootok
the people said they wanted to vote on it and said that we didn’t give them a chance to vote and they jumped on us.
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hinaayaamiip casinok thopotliip, vote-kon hobannatoolis, anap vote-kon chaban kahhalok asilhaliibiinok, maan
When the casino passed I wanted to vote but they said they didn’t want to vote on that.
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kobanko̱ vote-kap hokati̱. Ai, banko vote-kap, ai kaamis. Kaamis satchiibahchok saamit akostiniichilkoolaik akkaami̱. Maamok polaakifiinan naasi chobahchon spaachofotlaok
Yes, they didn’t want a vote. It is hard to understand their reasoning. They thought we jumped on something too big too fast,
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nahotilkalok kanhilihchokkooyan hoaalohchommik piila.
but that’s not how it was.
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miitak maan akostinniichiip aati at-homma ooya̱ imawichilkokom hoaalohchoolik maathon, katik. Unhuh. Kaamiip maan hoakostinniichiip maan kanohchoolik.
Other [Indian people] thought about it and thought it could help us all. Yes. It was good if they thought like that.
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Katik ya, ya, uh, chin– chimintoliinookittap, istilkaakittap,
When we worked for you back then,
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naho, maafaap ooya̱ skonponnaachit, naasoot, uh, seminars-kayahchoot amaakat, ponnat amailkatoofookok,
we were taught and sent to seminars to better ourselves and when we left,
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yok, yon askailkaap, job-kap konnaahaththihchooliki̱ toppayaamip. Toppatik. Yok konponnatoolis. Unhuh. Konponnatoolis yofa̱, anap aalolihchok mon.
we were able to find jobs elsewhere. Outside [the tribe]. Since we had learned before. Yes. Since we were trained here, I think.
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Maamok, naho, noksofa̱ toppayaami̱ intoliinap, at-homma i̱i̱hikkoto̱ polaakon. Ai, inkohchok. Kaamis
Everywhere we went, others won’t give Indians jobs right away. No, they don’t. So,
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yaalon intoliina̱ aati̱i̱hilkan, yaali̱ intoliina̱ talabohilok, toknaawa̱ wiilit stamaahilkaap, yaalon iisat toknaawaachit,
I think it’s good, that we looked for money to create jobs here and offered to those that they can stay here and make money
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tokpon amaikkotik kanohcho̱ aalolihchoolik anap. Ai. Ot ot ot stakkaamilaotoolis, at-hommak kaamilaon
and don’t have to go somewhere else. Yes. That’s how it should be,
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anap chabannahchoolik ibisnaalok maatittimawiichit. Maamok ihoochakittap
how I wanted it, Indians helping each other. Then, a long time ago,
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chin-salary-biinok chakiihopalammoolik sobbailil. Iksohchoolik mon
even your salary was very low, that I remember. Yes, it wasn’t much at all.
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Katik at-homma aaloop saamooson hopiilihchokom aaloofookon stachiiba̱a̱hoschoolik. Un-huh. Maan program-kayaami̱, budget-kayaami̱ im-explain-kayaami̱ onkal
It was hard when the Indians’ way of thinking was, they’re getting a lot of money. Yeah. …like to explain program monies and budgets to them,
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mokkoop chooban iisi yaami̱, ishilihchon stohimmahchokommit katik ooya̱ maafa̱ ishiliip total amount-kafa̱ line items konnaahon ooya̱,
they didn’t understand we had to pay within line items,
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uh, ooya̱ maafon stintohnot stolintolaatooliskan,
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katik ya stooya̱, uh, 1985-kafin askailkakitton, anap
but in 1985, when we all got out,
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intoonilitooliskan anap toppon intoonolit kaamiifookok yon chaponnatoofookok maafa̱ anap
because we worked elsewhere and had learned, we were able to use
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mon stintoonilihchokommit. Unhuh. Katik kaamit haatanatkat iilalihchokom thoikat anap.
what we had learned. Yes. But I have gone all the way around and came back.
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Unhuh, maamok hinaap, aatimawiichiskakanaamtikkon ya, yok ona-intoliinoobiinok
Yes, and you’re still helping the people,
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ihohchan stilimawiichikanaamiilaho̱ museum-ka talkahchoot, naasi nasmiita pahokfat achiiyaabiinok nasmiitoot mat– matnaathiikat,
like with the museum being built, something that will help us
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maataati̱i̱hiskaayaamiibiinok athiiyakanaamtikkon kaamis
and last for a long time.
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stathi̱iyakanam kosnap katik. Kaam, katik isnok achiiyaanannahchooki̱ aatimawiichiskaak tribe-ka toppayaami mat-hochimasillachiip katik
You too, you’re always going around assisting other tribes
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naasoot itponnatoop maan aatimawiichilkootoop maan mok thoiliichit imawiichiskan
with whatever they ask you to help with and they try to help us in return when they can.
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kaamit work-kas stammahchok. Kaamis naasok skonnakathkiiyohchok. Unhuh. Aththatookanaamiskan, katik, nahoyaami̱ akostiniichilihchok maan at-homma yaami̱ akostiniichikkoot,
Because of that we don’t lose anything, everything keeps continuing. Yes. But sometimes I think about the Indian people who don’t understand,
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si– siboklossooliki̱ miitak, chim-office-kafa̱ othaak [laughing] mantik mah….akostiniichikkok iskaafookok maan kano̱o̱chit immaahiskatik maan
they almost were beating you up. They came to your office because they didn’t understand, you’d tell them again [explain nicely],
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akostiniichikkookanaamiimok ibisnaalokommo̱ ilkahchooliki̱. Ai, immankat, hichaachit nainchaakoot nahotilkootik maan hoyimkolaakommiip, hoyimkohchommik piila. kaamiskan
but they still didn’t understand. “It’s their fault,” we used to say. We would tell them, we’d show them the paper, but if they didn’t want to know or believe, they just didn’t.
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piila nahotilkas naksaamilaoto̱ ilkaak nahotilkaafook athiiyahchommik stammaamik anap.
We did what we had to do to move forward.
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Miitak hasaikahchok akostinniichiimaamiki̱ mantik, naho,
But there was a lot of others that probably understood.
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Ihoochon maan ihimmankaak maan, ihimmankahchoolik, ihoochaafookon akkostiniichilkooliik maan, komma̱a̱haskatooyaami̱ akostiniichilkaap,
After awhile, they told me they’d thought about what we had told them before and they understood
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saamin o̱o̱haskato̱ hinaap sobbaihil kahhok ammankak achooba alahkak. Ai, mmhuh, himaayaamiip.
why we had said that. Some of the elders told me that. Yes, after all this time.
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Ai, mokkoop alahkak achokchanaakapalammoot iisahchoolik, mootoskaak,
Some of the ones who went against us,
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ihoochaafookon ohtinnaathiikalik achoobat anoskat, anok achachoobat athiiyaakok, katik
later I went to talk to them, as they got older and as I was getting older,
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issok ittinnaathiihilkaap, ka̱a̱noosit ittinnaathiihilkaap,
we sat down and talked to each other cordially,
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ammankahchoolik alahkak, akostiniichitkilkok ommit piila kahak. Mmhuh, mmhuh. Anok maamin kaanon hachinmaahakkotootommis kahaliifookon,
and some of them told me they didn’t understand at first. Yes. I said, “Maybe I didn’t explain it clearly,
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piila iisat ittinnaathiihilkahchoolik. Maamok maafookakittap naasooyaamait haapooliskan. Ai.
but it’s good that we can talk to each other now.” At that time, everything was so new. Yes.
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Hoakostiniichikkooyaltootommo̱ naho naksaamit…
They probably didn’t understand.
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Nahoyaami̱ mok, uh, hinayaamip onaintoonotik…onaintoonot istilkahchooki̱ naho, konnaathiihilkak skonnakathkiiya̱ yaamiimok katik, sobbaichi̱? school-kasi mahchon,
Like right now we are working on not losing our language, but do you remember when we started a little school
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naho, yaafa̱, stanthiiyan,
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naho, atlawistak wachina̱ imponnat amaakaki̱. Ai, sobbaililihchok maap. Maafa̱, uh, alahka achoobap,
to teach the children English? Yes, I remember that. The elders
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naho, konnaathiihilka skomalwahchihchom, skonnakathachiskalaakom kahhok ammankahchoolik, maan, akkantik maan school-kafa̱ hosankoop
used to tell me “You’re going to make us lose our language,” and I said, “If our Indian kids can’t do good in school, they’re going to fail,”
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komabalsofkalaakom at-homma lawistak kahhalin stistilkahchoolik, katik,
and we would go back and forth with this, but now we are at that point,
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hinaap maafa̱ oothahchonommiimaam, skonnakaathat athiiyahchooki̱,
we are starting to lose our language
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honaathiikkofiinaakon. Ai, honaathiikkofiinas. Katik kosno maan thoiyohkat illok, thoiyohkahchok maan samiichihchoot, uh,
because they hardly speak it. Yes, since anybody barely speak it. Now I wonder how we can come back
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lamatkichitkilkoli̱ alolihchok himaayaap maan stimponnaachit stamailkalaon hinaap konnaathiihilkon, wachinokkohchon onkal
and straighten it out and start to teach them our language now and not English.
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Haatanat-hilihchootommo̱ aaloliikanam, maamok at-hochoobahayaamiip kon– [change the tape]
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ya ittinnaathiihilkaasayaamin naasi ihoochayaamiik skonnakaathalaon kobankot ittinnaathiihilkaschootoskaap,
What we were saying about not losing the old ways and the language,
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himaayaamin ittinnaathiihilkaap naathiihilkaak skonnakathkiiyolaon ilkahchootohon, hinaap naasi akkoyaami̱ stahomaakas stammahchok ya, ya nihta ittanaahilkaabiinok,
how we are getting together to do this,
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uh snakathkiiyoolaatommo̱, at-hochoobak iisahaalon onaintoliinoop aalolihchok anap,
so it won’t be lost while the elders are still around to work on it together to help us with the language,
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matkomawiichit naathiihilka̱ skonnakathkiiyohaalon
before we lose it completely
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naasot stamailkatoop mokkoop snakaathat athiiyan stammahchootok onkal. Kahchook, naasooyak hinaap wachinak mastaasaamaamiinannaskan,
because I think we are starting to lose it. We are starting to put more English into our language;
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naho, uh, ihoochakittap inchaatooliki̱ dictionary mahchon katik, mook innaathiihilkaik kosankoskan, hinaayaalon ittimawihchok
a long time ago they wrote the dictionary but we can’t read it,
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naasoot inchaalit, naho record-ka yahchoot maan nahot sikiilit stamailkatoop anok aalolihchok, katik, atlawistayaami̱ innaathiikaliip, himayaamiip
but now we need to help each other to write and record everything to preserve it, but when I talk to the kids
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komponnalaok koban hokahchok mokkoop
they want to learn our language ,
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school-kafa̱ amaakaayaamiifa̱ falanchon stimponnaachiifookon, ko falanchokkotik schokomponnaachihchonom, kahahchook. Amatlawistayaamiip hokahchok, katik,
not French– “We’re not French,” they say, “but they’re teaching us French.” My kids say that,
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sahchoot at-homma mahchoot stamaas– at-homma naathiihilkamahchoot stimponnaachihchoot stamaaskaap, kosnok komponnaik koban hokahchok himaayaamiip, maamok,
but they are asking if there’s any way to start an Indian language program so they can learn.
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holawistasimaththitikkohchok, achoobamok hokahchok himaayaamiip. Himaayaami̱ honaathiikap, naho, ihoocha honaathiikat,
The young people speak differently nowadays,
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imathahkiimahchootommo, ya nihta̱ naathiihilkayaamiip, katik, naasok konnaahoop mon stamailkaakanamtik sankos aalol anap nahoyaamiip
and we probably speak a lot differently than they did a long time ago, but we have to keep on going with a lot of what we have;
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naathiihilka ihoocha ayiiksa hokaabiinok, imanihtaskihap sobaayahkohchootommo̱. Alahkaak inkoomahchok. Ai, maamok,
like for instance the young people nowadays don’t really know the meaning of the word “clan”. Others don’t know it.
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bikkokon, akostiniichilit piila naathilkaayaamit, inthakfoosi hokaabiinok, ifonoosi mahchoot hookat. Ai. Inkoosi mahchoot,
A while back I started pondering, when they say “brother,” “sister,” Yes. “aunt,” those kinds of words,
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hookat, akkoyaamiik naahookanaamin, ayiiksak yaamiifa̱ ittinnaathiikat stamaakaat naahohchootoskaap, hinaap, skonnakaathat athi̱i̱ya̱
like clan, are still around, at one point I thought we were going to lose them,
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skonmantik, maan naahookanamtik ommihchok maan. Naho, achoobayaamitik iisaap, am– ammamma yaamit, ankoosi yaamip, uh, uh, naasoot imasillachilkooliip, ammankahchooto̱
but they’re still around. When I ask the elders, like my mom and my aunt,
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they have to think awhile,
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kollosit athiiyahchok kaahat mon, akkaamiskan hosobbaayaalihaalon samiichit akkaami̱ kahaahik, naho kommankalpiisahaalon imasilhaachit,
and sometimes they tell me they are starting to forget. They tell me to ask now, while they still remember and are able to tell us.
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naho record-kat stamailkap aalolihchok anok, katik maamap naasoot imasilhachiliip,
I think we should record them, but when I ask my mom
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she has forgotten,
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uh Marie-ka̱ ohtimasillachiliik chimmankallao̱ kaahatok ammankatootik maan anook nihtooya̱ stintoonolihchokkos kaamis naahohchok chalhosihchok naskaahato̱, naskaahat ammankahchooto̱
so she goes to ask my aunt Marie and tells me, but then I forget because we don’t use those words all the time.
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Maamok ma naathiihilka chaffaakahchoot naasoot sobaika itbannatok,
Even if we had learned one word,
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ilhoosihchok maamok, naho, naathiikilkobaanootommiip maan akkoyaamiip. Ai. Nahoyahchoot, himaayaamiip, ittobihi ilkaabiinok,
we still forget because we don’t say it that often. Yes. For instance, even if we say “bow,”
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akkoyaamiip naathiikilkos immaayaap [laughing]. Hiplibiinok iksos yaaliifaap. Hiplibiinok iksos maamok,
we don’t talk like that anymore. We don’t have snow here. We don’t have snow,
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naho, tatkap drum-kon hookatikkon, maamin hawkachibonohkon [aikachi-abonohkon-BL] hookahchooki̱ akkoyaamiip. Ai. Maaloot kahalihchotommo̱, chasobaikotik. akkahchoot hoosobbailalpiiso maan akkoyaamiip.
they [the Indians] say “drum” like the white people instead of aikachi-abonohka. Yes. I hope I’m saying it right, I may not know. Those things they should know.
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Kaam anok aalolihchok, mokkoop, nahobiinok directions-kabiinok hosobaayahkohchoki̱, kaamiskan. Ai, itto holchiifoobiinok.
I think so, too, like they don’t even know the directions. Yes, even the names of the trees.
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Itto holchifo anook chasobaikoot anookahchok. Nahobiinok, holtiliino biinok, holtiliina yaami̱,
I don’t even know the names of the trees. Even counting, I don’t know all the numbers
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anap ooyan chasobaikohchok, pokkoolosi̱ [pokkoolin] mahchootommo̱ sobbaililihchok katik. Anook, uh, naksoolit, chaffaak holtiinon haalolik, katik, uh,
except maybe up to ten. I heard someone count, but I forget how they did it.
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chalhoos samiichit nahoto̱. Haalolahpiip naholailpiis stammaamik. Achikiibalpiisat map. Mmhuh. Nahoyaami̱, uh, ihoochamaami̱, record-katooyaami̱,
but I forget how they did it. If I hear it a little more, I believe I can do it–it doesn’t seem that hard. Mmhuh. We have searched and found old recordings,
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wiilit ilhiichat, chaffaak ilhiichat tape-kon 1934-kon nahoton,
and in one tape from 1934,
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a white man
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number-kon onhichifoop palka̱a̱hoosin naahot at-hommak,
is calling numbers out in English and the Indian is saying them in Indian very fast.
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at-hommat inkaahat. Soba̱i̱loosit. Ai, kaamiskan. Soba̱i̱loosit. Akkaamin kosnok nahotkilkoha̱ komponnaak aalot haalolit mon, katik map
He really knew [the counting]. Yes, so. He really knew it. I wish we could do it really good,
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maathon honaathiikatootommo̱ ihoochakittap
like they did a long time ago.
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kaamis…. Nahoyaamiibiinok ihoochakittap ilhaalohchooliki̱,
A long time ago we used to hear them tell us
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aybachilkon hookahchooliki̱, naason sanchikkolao̱ hookat,
what you shouldn’t do,
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naasoot kaamiip, naasoot insaaminpahchok kaahat, maamok chokfi aathilkamahchoot stishahchoolik, hinaap aatok ittimmaahikkohchootommo̱ hinaap
like the rabbit tales, but now people don’t tell them like they used to.
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Aati naasok ittimmanka̱ akhaalo̱ anap mokkoop stooya haalolikittap,
I don’t hear them now like when I was small,
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anchofi chooba kommankaakon iisat iminhaalohchoolik katik maafookakittap kolawistassoolik katik himayaamip
when Chofi Chob [Bel] would tell us.
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noksok ittimmankaabiinok chasobaikohchok. Naaholi̱ mantik ho-inchaatok koyaami̱ aathiihilkak. Ai, naahohchok map. Akkoyaamiibiinok stamailkahchootommo̱ maan thoiliichit. Ai.
I don’t know if people still tell each other. Do they have some of these stories written down? Yes, they are. We can probably start that again. Yes.
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Atlawista̱ stimponnaachit. Kamiichilkaimpiis aalolit book-kok naahon hiichalit naahoton chofi chooba yaamit aathiikaton, Jackson Langley yaamik hoaathiikatooyaamiik. Ai. Katik,
Teach the children. I was thinking we could do that and I saw a book with stories that my uncle and Jackson Langley had told. Yes.
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wachiinok inchaatooliskan, atchiibat thoiliichit nahotilkak at-homma̱. At-hommat. Ai. At-hommat honahaahi, katik.
But an English speaker wrote it, so it’s hard for Indians [to understand]. For the Indians. Yes. For the Indians to read it.
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Nahoyaamiimok innaathiikalit, uh, Julia yaamiimok, sobbaayaalimpat alahka̱. Oh, sobbayli̱. Ai, aapo kommankahchoolit katik aathilkaimok
I talked to some folks like Julia, and she knows some of them. Oh, she knows. Our grandmother used to tell us,
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chasankohchootommo̱ katik sobbaililiikaanom, katik, Chestap sobbailo̱ kahhok ammankak, map aathiikahchootommo̱ kaahat
but she [Julia] said she probably doesn’t know it all, but Chester would probably know more.
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Akkoyaami̱ maan ittinnaathiikat, ohtinnaathiikat, imashillaachit stamaahilkaap, at-homma ooyak stimalostok stamaako aalol
I think we need to talk to each other about that and go talk to them and start asking them so that all the Indians will get interested.
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Anok aalol — mokkoop ooyaak wasahkat athiiyahchommit akkaamiip, kaamis. Naathiihilka ommihchok anap achahoopak, naathiihilkak snakaathaap
I think so, too, or it’s headed to where it will all be lost. It makes me sick [or sorrowful] that the Indian language is being lost;
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at-homma akkottommokkooyaamit stammahchok anap, naathiihilka, naathiihilka iksoop
I think we wouldn’t be Indians if we lost our language.
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Kahchooliki̱ ihoochakittap naathilkak hachinnakaathaap achittommokko̱ immaayaap kahhok kommankahchoolik. Maamok naathilkak konnaahoop,
That’s what they used to tell us a long time ago, that if you lose your language, you won’t be Indians any longer. If we have our language,
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ilkafihkak konnaahoto̱ aalolikanahchok, aissimahchooton koponnat, naksaamit istilkahik ittinnaathiikat,
I think we still have our strength, like the medicine and how we should live and communicate with each other,
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thathoot imokwaihilaimok ittinmankat, akkaamiiba̱a̱nok amailkatoolis
like where to fish. Talking to each other is the only way.
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Kaam, katik hinaayaami iskayaamin anok aalolis, mantik
You and I agree,
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hinaayaalon nahotkilkoop, yok hosankolao̱ next generations-kap aalolis nahaik, naho, uh, konnaathilkayaami̱
but now if we don’t do what we’re doing, the next generation won’t have a chance,
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naathiikat stamaakat record-kayaami̱ onkal. Mmhuh. Kaamis intoliinap chohbalaatommo̱, katik ooyak ittimawiichilkap nahotilko̱ aalolit anap.
like start recording our language. Mmhuh. It’s going to be a very big job, but I think we can do it if we all help each other.
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Ai, snakathkiiyolao̱ aaloliiyonom mantik. [laughs] Inkoop-mola̱. Mooliip, Bert, aliilamo̱ ittinnaathilkak.
Yes, I don’t think it’s totally gone yet. I hope not. Well, Bert, it’s good we talked.
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